[info-mcl] digitool (MCL) / clozure (OpenMCL)

[Marco Antoniotti]

On Oct 4, 2007, at 06:30 , Henry Lieberman wrote:

> Mark,
>
> I don't know the absolute numbers, but my guess is that the Lisp  
> community as a whole has been roughly stable due to two factors:  
> (1) an outflux of Lisp users who get guns put to their head forcing  
> them to stop using Lisp, and (2) an influx of young people who get  
> introduced to it by old farts like you and me, then come back with,  
> "Holy shit, how come nobody else told me about this before!?" :-)

Well, some of the "old farts" now wield considerable power to brain- 
wash/enlighten the young masses :)  I am teaching a course on  
(Common) Lisp this quarter!  :)  I'm having a ball.

Having said that, I think that MCL on the Mac was an unsurpassed  
example of integration.  However,  I grew fond of CAPI and LW over  
the years and I believe that, given all the bells and whistles that  
better Cocoa integration would yield, thinking about cloning CAPI  
would not be such a bad idea.

My 0.014113 cents.

Cheers

Marco







>
> Henry
>
>
> On 10/3/07, Mark D Gross <mdgross at cmu.edu> wrote: hi,
>
> I've been watching this train wreck for a (loooong) while, hoping
> against hope that it would right itself before running entirely off  
> the
> rails.
> Having known many of the various principals for a long time, I've been
> really sorry to see the gradual demise of MCL and hoping that  
> somehow a
> phoenix will arise from the ashes. An MCL(like) development  
> environment
> (Fred, inspector, stepper, etc.) and the GUI and other environment  
> calls
> make a real difference to me, as (sadly) being a professor doesn't  
> seem
> to leave large amounts of time for low level hacking.  But I still  
> like
> to build stuff.  So I've been happy to see a few glimmers of hope  
> in the
> discussion lately.
>
> So - a question that may be naive - how big is this community these
> days?  How many people are still out there (like me) lurking and  
> hoping
> for a quick resolution to an MCL-like environment on an Intel 2
> machine?  (The longer this goes on the fewer people will be left to
> care).  So what' s the order of magnitude? 10? 100?  1000?  Does  
> anyone
> know?
>
> Mark
>
> --
> Mark D Gross
> Professor, Computational Design
> Carnegie Mellon University
> http://code.arc.cmu.edu
>
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