[info-mcl] Fwd: Intel native MCL

[Benjamin Perrault]

Though i do love Clozure CL - even with the trunk version of the idea, it just doesn't "feel" as good as MCL ( or MCLIDE ). In fact, 95% of the time when I use Clozure, I use MCLIDE for that reason.

Which brings another question ( and this is surely the wrong list ):  Has anyone considered migrating MCLIDE over to CCL? It to is a PPC binary which mean's it's life is shortened in it's current state. It appears to be almost a full MCL implementation ( so I'm sure porting may be awful ) but with Terje's patch to generate Cocoa interface Code under Clozure, it is pretty close to what I'm looking for.

With that said, I suppose it's time to get down and dirty CCL's IDE  and start voicing my opinion as it seems I will have to kiss MCL goodbye in the near future ( except on my G4 cube which I keep around to run Opcode Studio Vision, MCL 4.x and SK8 )....

Thanks for the feed back....

cheers,
-bp

On Jun 4, 2011, at 6:32 PM, Shannon Spires wrote:

> There will never be an Intel-native MCL. It's too much work for too little gain.
> 
> That's the bad news. The good news is that Clozure CL is of course already Intel-native and its compiler is superior to MCL's in many ways beyond just being Intel-native.
> 
> CCL's Cocoa IDE is not yet quite up to the facility of MCL's IDE, but it's getting close. I've been using it exclusively for Lisp development for about 6 months now, and it's good enough that I no longer find myself periodically yelling at the computer and launching MCL. It's moved from alpha quality to beta quality.
> 
> One thing that would be very helpful in improving the CCL Cocoa IDE is for MCL veterans to use it and provide feedback (to Clozure or to this list) of your top n "dealbreaker" issues that you need working to make the CCL IDE usable. As I said, my dealbreakers list is now empty and I'm working on my "it would be very nice if" list, but if you have any dealbreakers of your own please voice them.
> 
> Clozure and several volunteers are working on the IDE and your feedback always helps them prioritize issues.
> 
> Shannon Spires
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Benjamin Perrault <ben.perrault at gmail.com>
>> Date: June 4, 2011 6:00:40 PM MDT
>> To: <info-mcl at clozure.com>
>> Subject: [info-mcl] Intel native MCL
>> Reply-To: Discussion list for MCL users <info-mcl at clozure.com>
>> 
>> I've been using MCL a lot (again) lately, but one looming concern I have is it seems to still be very much a PPC centric app ( or I'm  building it wrong because it always comes out as one ).
>> 
>> Has there been any progress on making it an intel native app, as Lion appears to have no PPC support?
>> 
>> This is something I've just realized and MCL ( and MCLIDE, which I use for Clojure and Clozure CL ) seem to be the only non-intel apps I have let and there really is no replacement for either of them....
>> 
>> Anyway - just curious if that ball is rolling. I'm not good enough of a lisp hack to help much on that low of a level but I wanted to ask...
>> 
>> cheers and thanks,
>> -bp
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