[Openmcl-devel] A plug for nx1-combination-hook
terje at in-progress.com
Mon Sep 7 12:52:57 EDT 2009
On Sep 4, 2009, at 3:23 AM, Glen Foy wrote:
> On Sep 3, 2009, at 6:57 PM, Ron Garret wrote:
>> IMHO, being able to actually run the more compact form would be a big
>> win for pedagogical purposes if nothing else.
> Many of us come from an MCL background, Clozure as well as list
> members. We are used to MCL's lean, even Spartan IDE. We know that a
> Lisp System doesn't need a lot of bells and whistles to be really
I am in the camp preferring a more spartan, focused IDE for myself,
with just the functionality I need. But I can see the attraction of
toolbars etc. It could be useful to have a variety of IDEs on top of
a lisp environment, supporting the taste/needs of different developers.
> The problem is new users don't know that. Alex Repenning has
> commented on this numerous times. He teaches young programmers and
> knows what he's talking about. We need to give CCL some flash. Young
> programmers are used to XCode and Eclipse. They expect toolbars and
> project managers. They expect to be able to single step their code
> and to set break points. They expect to be able to push a button and
> have their applications built and launched. Etc, Etc. Etc.
Flash could provide a positive first impression for new users.
Another factor is immediate familiarity, giving them the feeling that
they are at home, that they know what to do next. A lisp IDE modeled
after XCode could be interesting, even if it might be less than
optimal for savvy developers.
> We need to be better salesmen for Lisp in general and CCL in
> particular. We need to package it better. Presentation is
Maybe something like LispBox but with an appealing IDE on top to
attract new developers used to more fancy/flashy development
environments than emacs?
-- Terje Norderhaug
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